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    There were some questions about what is OK to post and what is not, so I've written a Bill of Rights for the message board. It's set up as an announcement, so you will be able to see it in every thread, but here is a link as well.
    http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.co...ement.php?f=59

    Bob Duncan
    Technical Editor

    EDIT...sorry posted a new link!

    Wood Carving Illustrated Bill of Rights

    This is a wood carving related forum, so most topics should relate to wood carving or woodworking. It's not a place to tout one tool (blades, sanders). Feel free to offer your preference, but understand that others are also entitled to their own opinion.

    Respect Other Members
    Right: You have the right to read the information about carving projects, techniques, and woodworking. You also have the right to share your ideas and opinions about carving and woodworking without fear of personal attacks. You have the right to a friendly forum where members respect each other regardless of skill level, opinions, or personal feelings. That means no name calling, questioning a person's integrity, or openly trashing a person's reputation online. For your first warning, you will be banned for a day, Second warning, banned for a month, Third warning, banned permanently.

    Discussion: Act like an adult, plain and simple. The Internet is a funny place, easy to type out a comment, click and sit back and let the fur fly. There are plenty of other places on the Internet where you can do this but it won't be tolerated on the Wood Carving Illustrated Message Board. When you are posting something, ask yourself if you would say that to a person if you were standing next to them and looking in their face, or better yet, would you like someone to say that to you? If you have a problem with someone, send a personal message (PM) to BobD, Admin or one of the Moderators!

    Give New Members A Break
    Right: New members have the right to post specific questions. They may have little or no experience about carving, or posting on message boards, and it may be easier for them to just post their question rather than try to find the answer to their question in earlier posts.

    Discussion: New members need a way to break the ice, introduce themselves, and get a feel for the other members. They also usually have legitimate questions remember, we were all newbies once! Cut them a little slack if they ask a question that has been asked over and over. If you don't feel like posting the same reply you just posted last week, post a link to your last thread. Everyone has something to add to our discussions because everyone brings different life experience to the forum; we wouldn't want to stifle the next Desiree Hajny or Chris Pye, would we?

    Off Topic s
    Right: You have the right to post whatever you want in the Off-Topic area as long as it isn't offensive to someone else. If you think it might be offensive, check with BobD, Admin, or one of the moderators.

    Discussion: A general question about something happening in the world is one thing, but don't write a doctoral dissertation on why one political party or race or religion is better than another. As long as you are not evangelizing or promoting your religion over someone else's, I have no problem with people talking about God, Goddess, Budda, Shiva, Isis, Astarte, Athena, (and any other major diety I may have left out).

    A debate about a person's beliefs--political or spiritual--isn't acceptable, though. Conversations like that lead to hurt feelings.

    Off topic posts can be removed without warning or explanation at the discretion of the the Woodcarving Illustrated moderation team or the Woodcarving Illustrated Editorial Team.


    Advertising On The Forum
    Right: All members have a right to post their opinion, but no member has the right to use the site to promote their own business.

    Discussion: People will always post about their favorite tools, how else will people decide to try something new. But don't post a thread about a sale or special you are having. If you have regular customers, PM them, or buy an ad in the magazine.


    Links to other sites
    Right: You have the right to post links to other related sites. If it is your site, we would appreciate a reciprocal link back to our site. Please don't post a site that is in direct competition to our site, that's not fair! Directing people to a totally unrelated website (commonly known as SPAM) is not allowed. Spammers will be banned without warning.

    Discussion: The forum is a great place to bring together a variety of information and resources. There should he a relatively free exchange of information. But don't post a link to a magazine or website that is in direct competition to Wood Carving Illustrated. If you have a question about a link you'd like to post, PM BobD, Admin, or one of the Moderators.


    Handling Complaints
    Right: You have the right to complain to the Admins or Moderators if you have a problem with a post. If you have a problem with a person, use the Private Message function. You do not have the right to post a complaint about someone in an open forum.

    Discussion: Please don't take things into your own hands. Trust the Admins and Moderators. If you have a problem with a post, PM BobD, Admin, or one of the Moderators, we'll ask the person to edit his or her post, or delete it outright.

  • #2
    Re: Bill of Rights

    Bob,
    I get a permissions error when trying to access the link...
    When I cut myself, I bleed sawdust!
    Please view my carving website and blog site: http://3crosseswoodcarving.com
    My YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/3CrossesWoodcarving
    My Email: 3crosseswoodcarving@gmail.com
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    • #3
      Re: Bill of Rights

      I got a permissions error too.

      I got to it. Thanks.

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      • #4
        Re: Bill of Rights

        I was able to read it from the 'sticky' post located in the forums. Thanks.
        When I cut myself, I bleed sawdust!
        Please view my carving website and blog site: http://3crosseswoodcarving.com
        My YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/3CrossesWoodcarving
        My Email: 3crosseswoodcarving@gmail.com
        My Face book Page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/3Cros...g/267742984970


        Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/3CrWoodcarving
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        • #5
          Re: Bill of Rights

          Let me know what you think...it's a work in progress.

          Bob

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          • #6
            Re: Bill of Rights

            Looks fine and fair to me!

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            • #7
              Re: Bill of Rights

              Looks fine to me Bob.
              When I cut myself, I bleed sawdust!
              Please view my carving website and blog site: http://3crosseswoodcarving.com
              My YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/3CrossesWoodcarving
              My Email: 3crosseswoodcarving@gmail.com
              My Face book Page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/3Cros...g/267742984970


              Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/3CrWoodcarving
              My Etsy Store: http://www.etsy.com/shop/garymcdaniel

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              • #8
                Re: Bill of Rights

                Bad title, has nothing to do with "Rights" It is a list of don'ts! We had this discussion once before about attempting to control people..this business about all posts are to pertain to woodcarving are about as off base as you can get....read the posts! There is more personal contact, jokes, humor, prayer, personal contact than any of the woodcarving posts! To continue the helpfulness of this site, this must not change...otherwise everyone will be "off topic"!

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                • #9
                  Re: Bill of Rights

                  The "Bill" does cover the method to post non-wood related subjects. It also provides a means to keep "touchy" subjects in control.

                  A lot of people use this forum and it IS a Woodworking forum. The problem is that we've built a relationship amoungst the membership that has gone beyond carving....hopefully we can continue that aspect within the confides of this board.

                  We have MANY spam posts/posters that are not even seen because of the work of BobD and the moderators. There are usually 2 or 3 banned daily that attempt to post "ads" on drugs, investments, vacations, sex, etc. This "Bill" is one way to try to reduce those types of posts.
                  Member of Caricature Carvers of America
                  My website: https://mitchellcartledgewoodcarvings.com

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                  • #10
                    Re: Bill of Rights

                    The intent of the Bill of Rights is NOT to stifle converstation. As Mitchell said, it sets a framework for the discussions on the board and underlines our stance that Spam won't be tolerated.

                    How often do we talk about the old spitting and whittling...where people jawed more than carved. I think of this forum as that...and the jawing is fine. In fact, I encourage it!

                    We've talked before about being a family, but I'm not sure that is the right word; maybe community is a better word. We need to work together to keep things smooth.

                    You can talk about most things in the Off Topic area, but we all know there is a hotly-contested election coming up in a few days...please...lets keep this forum out of that fray!

                    i understand that I've bruised some feelings; I'm sorry that I hurt your feelings, but I'm not sorry for removing the posts that initiated all of this. It was nothing personal. I've got a responsibility to the entire forum...those that speak up and those that remain silent.

                    Bob

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                    • #11
                      Re: Bill of Rights

                      Originally posted by Hi_Ho_Sliver
                      Bad title, has nothing to do with "Rights" It is a list of don'ts! We had this discussion once before about attempting to control people..this business about all posts are to pertain to woodcarving are about as off base as you can get....read the posts! There is more personal contact, jokes, humor, prayer, personal contact than any of the woodcarving posts! To continue the helpfulness of this site, this must not change...otherwise everyone will be "off topic"!
                      The purpose of this forum/message board is to be a safe, comfortable, friendly place to share our experiences and learning about our craft, wood carving. It is not nor have I ever seen that this forum as noted as a place to insight riots over politics, race, or religion. It's not meant as a personnal soap box for anyone's personnal agenda.

                      On this forum I have been flamed three times ... the first because I am not a conventional, conservative of a particular religious group - the second because I am a radical woman's rights proponent and the third time because I don't use a carving glove!

                      Only one of those flames was appropriate to the topic of this message board ... the one about the glove.

                      When I was asked to become a moderator for this message board I accepted the responsiblity of protecting this board, promoting this board and supporting this board. To that end there are times that I have and do set aside my own personnal agenda making the board first, not me ....

                      It is one thing to joke about our wives and husbands, odd daily occurances and funny experiences ... they don't start riots. Politics and religion do. If anyone has a great burning desire to discuss these topics there are message boards and forum specifically for those topics, please use them.

                      My Opinion!

                      Susan Irish

                      (OK, Bob, I have made my opinions know in public, on the board, instead of through the PMs ... Please ban me for my first offense!)

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                      • #12
                        Re: Bill of Rights

                        Bob D ,

                        I have no issues with the guidelines. I personally have few issues with anything I have seen posted. I try to respect other opinions, I might not agree with them, but I accept the fact they have them, and respect them for those opinions.

                        But there are usally three things you can not talk about without causing problems with others, politics, theology, and the use of a stop cut.

                        I understand stong feelings exist about all three, two have no rationallity they jump beyond friendly conversations to the influence of feelings. If they did not there would be no wars in the history of man.

                        I will abide by the rules and if I do step over the line ... delete me Talking

                        Garry

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                        • #13
                          Re: Bill of Rights

                          I have no problem with what you have written Bob. We on this board tend to stray to different topics at times and I think it is as you stated that we are a very close knit community that we care for each others feelings and thoughts but there are certain things that will start bad feelings and arguments and that is politics. So I agree with your removal of such topics. Thanks for your hard work Bob.
                          Ron

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                          • #14
                            Re: Bill of Rights

                            i am good with it also glad it has been done.

                            bart

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                            • #15
                              Re: Bill of Rights

                              This is a board of passionate woodcarvers. Many members of this forum are recognized as artists, most of the others fit into this category.

                              We love our craft. Along with improving our creativity, we want to assist others with their efforts. This can lead us into areas of stongly held beliefs that work for us and, we believe, will work for others.

                              Discussions of these strong beliefs, directly related to woodcarving, may strain the bonds of our friendship; but in the end, we are able to agree to disagree and remain an extremely amicable community.

                              Several of my local friends and I have had to reach an agreement Basically, it is that we will not discuss certain subjects. Each of us have unbending beliefs in these particular areas. Discussion would, as it has in other cases, lead to the end of friendship.

                              This is a unique group of friends, gathered from many walks of life, coming from different cultures, with one common glue...woodcarving.

                              I think BobD's posting of the boundaries for our forum is sufficiently generous and will keep us out of the areas which might tear us apart. I agree with Garry and Susan, when I drift outside of these guidelines.....I ask any moderator to delete me, and I assure you there will be no rancor on my part.

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