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  • #16
    Imagine that you have just walked into a stadium filled with 80,000 people, talking among themselves. You have a piece of wood and a carving knife in your hands. How are you going to interact with them?
    This is a simple analogy to the real world. Most people are not interested. A few may be mildly curious. Why are they not wildly excited about woodcarving?
    Last edited by pallin; 06-09-2020, 11:04 AM.

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    • #17
      I’m glad this was listed as “off topic” as we have made a big circle around this one. I’d like to share a thought maybe two on carving clubs. In my mind carving clubs in addition to human interaction provide a key roll in our hobby. I choose hobby because although a few of us have sold carvings. I doubt if 1 in a thousand make a profit at it and half that many derive an income from making chips.

      Belonging to got me started on the right foot having experienced carvers around me allowed me to take on challenging projects because I had their experience to fall back on. Even once I was carving beyond their capabilities they still provided the critical eye. You know supportive comments like that nose might be a little long unless you’re carving an elephant. This fall the club put on a class through the Jr. College and started 8 new carvers on their journey. So we learn then we give back we help others grow sometimes with suggestions some times by listening.





      Ed
      https://www.ebay.com/sch/bmart50/m.h...1&_ipg=&_from=
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      https://www.facebook.com/CentralNebraskaWoodCarvers

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      • #18
        Many people apparently simply do not have the creative urge.

        But I think that lack of exposure to creative endeavors at an early age prevents some from even thinking about art/crafts; it's just not in their universe.

        Others do have a creative spark that just needs to be fanned into flame by exposure and friendly encouragement when the time is right for them.

        Many, I think, are so encompassed by work, raising a family, and the noise and flash of the world that the distractions are too great for a quiet endeavor to gain traction...that would account for so many carvers coming to the craft at a more mature age. ("There is a season for everything, a time for everything..." Ecclesiastes, 3-1)
        Last edited by Arthur C.; 06-10-2020, 08:26 AM.
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        • #19
          Great discussion! Nebraska reminded me of my own experience in a junior college class on woodcarving. There was very little instruction - mostly interaction with experienced carvers and the opportunity to get ideas. I had started my project weeks before enrolling. The "class" was an incentive to devote time to it.

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          • #20
            There were 5 wood carvers in this village of 600 people. One moved away.
            No desires ever to get together. One, apparently, feels threatened by any competition.
            In 20 years here, I've never been asked about learning to carve. Open invitation.

            I did try to carve for the money, spoons and forks to be precise.
            In batches of a dozen or so, 90 minutes to complete a spoon or fork and I sold a few at $12.00 each.
            I got tired of it after 70 spoons and 30 forks so I quit that altogether.

            The intensity of carving comes and goes now. I feel a resurgence of interest now that my health has improved so much. I just got some new tools and some Tlingit wood carving project books which have sparked my interest.
            Brian T

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            • #21
              There is a deep belief that is often taught at a young age, that you have to have a natural talent to do any kind of art. Especially the fine arts. Most people will not even attempt to learn how to begin, with often remark, " I can not do that,... I can not even draw a straight line." Not understanding or even believing that one can learn the basics and make nice work with patience and trying. But this is rare especially in today's world as we are in a time of the forgotten fine arts, in fact, people are destroying it in public right now around the world. No one sees art as an art form...they see an object of some crazy symbol which the maker had no intentions. So they see the work, but will not attempt more than just look at it and if they do not like it, kill it. My belief is making art is dead and it will take a long time to become meaningful in the world again. You first have to have an appreciation of hand made things to enjoy. We do not have an audience today ....other a very small handful of people. Making art is what I do, I am an artist, therefore I must create. It does not matter the audience, people like it or do not....like Bob said it is mine or rather what I am...gives me great joy.

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              • #22
                I may be on my own here, but for what it's worth, I am a member of a small club about 40km from home and at one meeting, one of our lady members said to me that she doubted the value of the club as there appeared to be more talk than carving. I answered her by saying,"I am retired and can carve virtually anywhere and any time, what I can't do away from the club is rely on talking to people with the same interests as I have. Here at the club we discuss projects, difficulties, best wood supplies, tools we have obtained or want to buy, we socialise and do some carving.
                I'm sure we have all at some gathering, heard the warning, Look out, here comes Bob and we'll hear nothing else but his latest fishing trip or golf game etc. etc. So I for one feel that carving clubs do serve a purpose, as do fishing clubs, collectors clubs, and so on. Anyway, I've had my say and now will crawl back into my hole and carve some comfort birds.

                Kind regards to all
                John

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                • #23
                  I started attending a carving club near me, it was held in the wood section of a big box store. Having it there created a lot of interest, as people shopping would come over to see what we were doing. The people in the club where very talented and fun to be around folks. I enjoyed the company very much, but stopped going because of the noise. The store was noisy. The carvers were all power carvers, I am not, and I found I just couldn't carve or think around all that. But the power carving was what was attracting the attention and interest of passer bys, and I give a lot of credit to the group for doing that! They also put up signs to sign people up for carving classes and they where generating a fair amount of interest. So, if you go to the people with your carvings and tools, they will look the other way, but if they come to you they will at least show an interest.

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                  • #24
                    The rustic furniture work shop down my street is the only place in the entire district where you can go to talk about all kinds of wood, carving, furniture, finishes, adhesives, pyrographics on skull bones, you name it. For me, it's very much a social thing. I might take a few tools or carvings for show-and-tell but never to sit alone and silent to seriously carve something. I found wood for elbow adze handles there, last Friday.

                    Brian T

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                    • #25
                      No clubs around, but lots of master craftsmen that make top award-winning furniture. I told one of them who lives near me, got any throw-away wood, can I have it? It got so they would call me and ask my opinion on the creative side of what looks good and what does not on their own new projects. They major taught me the ropes of wood. That started my wood education, plus tons of conversations with people on here. Plus any time I get stuck,... I am in their shop asking
                      what would do with this issue?
                      Do not always get answers as they do not consider themselves artist....but I come out with tons throw away tools, sandpaper and, wood, and more....great friends and good people.

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                      • #26
                        Dude, that is something really nice, i mean we do not have that many young men interested in woodcraving nowadays in 2020. I am really surprised to be honest. My son, well he is more into the it thing, programming and sh*t. He said that another domain that interests him right now are the search engines optimization techniques. I understand that is not bad at all, it is very good for his future, as these jobs are exactly what you mean by saying it is the future, it is for the youth. However sometimes i would like to do something together with him that i also understand, just like wood carving.
                        Last edited by RGoldManning; 08-17-2020, 08:46 AM.

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                        • #27
                          If I want an audience I have a show, costly at times. I do not advertise my work, tried that not much results. My work is commissioned often other times someone has dragged someone to my shop and sold. Word by mouth is my only source. The biggest audience ever was a period when I had managers ....they did the work of PR. and that is major costly. People ask to be taught, mainly because someone told them who I was and where to find me. Resources toward me come from other woodcarvers' recommendations. Facebook can have a major audience but my experience is that can be from other woodcarvers and not people who are buying. Carving, audience and a world global pandemic that is causing major economical issues is a major problem right now and major conversation about what now??? among those who do this professionally........, good time to just sit down and learn how to be good at what you do and create for a possible new market???. The world and what, plus ...how we do things is changing, nothing is the way it was. Especially in the arts.

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                          • #28
                            I keep forgetting to point out that wood carving is alive and well and thriving.
                            Where?
                            Among the First Nations of the Pacific Northwest.
                            They adhere to a traditional culture of apprenticeships of promising child talent
                            with accomplished family carvers.
                            Their marketing skills are displayed in the number of Indigenous Art Galleries
                            with very diverse and rich selections of work.

                            We used to have big artisans' exhibitions. People from throughout the Robson Valley district.
                            You could even sell stuff. The one rule was to bring something to actually work on.
                            Caucasian people would walk past my tables and not even slow down.

                            Not the First Nations carvers! They all wanted to grab a chair and sit down and visit.
                            Talk wood and tools and subjects. That became about the sole reason that I took part.

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                            Brian T

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                            • #29
                              Wow, so nice of you to help your son. First of all, remember that Instagram is not just a means of promotion, it is a great soruce of inspiration, and you may explore it a little in order to create unique content on your page. Also, make a strategy for your page, what mood should other users feel when entering your account? I'm sure that you'll have great success, as wood carving is a very delicate and special art. Additionally, there are features like autocomments, IGautolikes that are extremely useful for begginers. This app will get your instagram flooded with likes instantly, thus growing your audience. Give it a try, it's really cool.
                              Last edited by emmanuelglover; 10-18-2020, 04:53 AM.

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                              • #30
                                Instagram was created for people to share their photos. After that it developed new ways how to attract more and more users. Now it is one of the most popular social networks and I use it too. I bought recently thousands of followers at a very good price. If you want, you may also buy new real followers that will help your Instagram account grow and your audience will be more and more active. In this case, you will have the chance to earn some money and be more popular among the Instagram users.
                                Last edited by Claude; 04-20-2021, 05:44 PM.

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