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  • Daliab
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    FYI for those who have read and may have made a commented on this thread.... Feedback.
    I received a private message from Kelly (her last name omitted for her privacy), a Fox Chapel Publishing staff member - editorial assistant of Woodcarving Illustrated. She asked some of the same questions that you folks asked. What is it I was interested in and what would I like to see in the magazine. I gave her the same answers I stated here. No more, no less.
    The main point I wanted to make to all of you about her reaching out concerning my disappointment rating. Someone from Fox Chapel Publishing and the editorial assistant of Woodcarving Illustrated is monitoring this thread, as they should do. Kudos to FCP for taking the time to read feedback from subscribers.

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  • Daliab
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    This thread has gotten a lot of attention that I really didn't intend for it to get and hope the following explanation ends it. Claude, you miss the whole point of my displeasure with WCI. These folks put out fresh ideas every week via the internet....every week. Because of them, they have sparked renewed interest in woodcarving that, in my opinion the magazine has not. It's not just one area of interest that I'm looking at. It's all of them. I find WCI boring compared to the new, fresh ideas that are out on the internet by these carvers.... every week. The fresh ideas make me want to carve what ever they are presenting in their video. Both the WCI magazine and the YouTube carvers do it for monetary purposes. They both are presenting a product to their followers for monitary gain. The magazine, in my opinion is loosing unless they step up their game. Point made.

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  • Claude
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    You are correct - you did provide the names of carvers whose work you liked - my mistake. But, you didn't provide any specific info about the carvings themselves these people are doing. I know Blake and Roger, and they carve a wide variety of things. Most are caricatures, but some are Santas, some are cowboys, some are cute little cartoon animals, etc. Arleen also carves a wide variety of things. Do you want more Santas, more gnomes, more mice, more dogs, more snowmen, or what? If you tell me you want more Santas carved by Blake for example, that is info I can get to the editors.

    Claude

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  • Daliab
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    Claude, I already gave some examples in my post on 13 May @4:08 pm with names of carvers on youtube.

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  • Claude
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    Originally posted by Nebraska View Post
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    If you want to provide the publishers with feedback I would recommend emailing as they do not actively monitor the forum.
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    True. When BobD was the technical editor, he did monitor the forums a lot; Since he is gone, I have provided links to suggestions for the editors when I see them. That is one reason I asked Daliab to provide specifics on what he would like to see: Carving type (chip, caricature, animal & bird, flat plane, relief, etc.), realistic or stylized or folk, etc., and some specific examples, such as Folk art bird carving, or realistic squirrel carving, or cigar store indian or... Be assured I will get the specific suggestions to the editors. Also, If you have found an author or two in the past year that you really like, provide the name and article title and the editors will attempt to get that author to do another article.

    Claude
    Last edited by Claude; 05-14-2022, 05:58 PM.

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  • Merle Rice
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    Hi, Di. Very well said. Merle

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  • DiLeon
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    Books should cover basics, magazines should cover new ideas and are great for those quiet times where no noise is highly appreciated, and videos are great for those you learn by watching. Magazines are great for fishing on the lake during those quiet long hours. Internet can cover a broad education of anything goes. The fact is each person is different and what works for one person may not work for the next. Person to person can learn basics faster.

    But the whole of learning comes from the total desire to learn how to do it. Success comes from making mistakes and learning from them. There is no instant success, where you do it a few times and you got it. Especially in wood carving unlike the Youtube video on how to fix a broken toilet and I got it and I am done, ....the process of art and woodcarving lessons are forever learning new things. As far as how good I am?.... depends strictly on how serious I am to do what it takes to get there. Plus the willingness to change and to try new things....time, patience, and desire.
    Last edited by DiLeon; 05-14-2022, 04:47 PM.

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  • Eddy-Smiles
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    Originally posted by Daliab View Post
    After starting a suspricption to Woodcarving Illistrated a year ago, I can finally give the publisher my feedback in one word.... DISAPPOINTED. In the last year, I have found nothing that interested me. I can find more "how to" information and fresh carving ideas off the internet than I find in this magazine. Understand woodcarving is a wide topic and hard for the publishers to hone in on each aspect in a magazine that is published four times a year, thus the reason for waiting a year before airing my disappointment. I don't see renewing my subscription after it runs out unless the publisher ups its game. Just my two cents worth that not everyone will agree with, and I can support that too.
    Daliab.... Last year when it came time for my renewal I seriously considered dropping my own subscription to WCI. Understand that I have been following the activities of the carving community for as long as I've been carving. I picked up my first carving magazine, "Carving Magazine" on my first visit to the Smoky Mountain Woodcarver's Shop in Townsend, TN. I immediately signed up for a two year subscription. Not long after that I discovered WCI on a Lowes magazine rack and also took out a subscription on it. With "CM" out of publication, WCI has been just one of a couple links to the carving community that I feel are necessary for my sanity and well being. At my age I don't get out much, in fact, I haven't been to one of my local club's meetings in almost 3-years. Some of the very same carvers that participate on this forum also are contributors to WCI and many times there are articles in the magazine on carvings they have posted here. I agree that YouTube and the host of carvers that provide video tutorials are a great asset but there is also something to be said about static tutorials where all you have to do is flip the page to go to the next step. No, every article published is not my cup of tea but I try to keep in mind that no matter how talented you are, how subject matter knowledgeable you are, and/or how long you've been carving, you can always learn something new from someone! This is just my take on it one and all are welcomed to agree or disagree.

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  • Just Carving
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    I've been on this forum for a long time now. And I've been getting WCI mag since then too. I have all the issues and still go through them from time to time.

    I can agree with you Daliab. I can tell you, in my mind, the older issues had more interesting info but also, a lot more advertising. Then, there was a much greater interest than there is now. Increase in the interest of carving comes in spurts but for the most part, it's status quo.

    Daliab, all I can say is hang out here from time to time. I sometimes see things here and on the woodcarving pages on Facebook before I see it in WCI magazine. In either case, I learn just as much. For me, that's what it's all about.

    Hope to see you around

    BobL

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  • Daliab
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    Hey Nebraska, good to hear from someone in my neck of the woods. I gathered from the previous thread inputs that the publisher doesn't monitor this thread.
    As for apples and oranges, I don't see that. What's the difference between learning tequinques via YouTube, or learning from WCI printed material, or how to books or learning from instructional classes? The idea is your still learning cuts and tequniques for future carvings. Now carving from roughouts is apples and oranges. I learn more from YouTube than cleaning up and adding details to a roughout where most of the work is done for you. I guess it's what do you want to get out of woodcarving and how proficient you want to be. Different strokes, different folks. To each their own. I agree with you about You have to attempt projects you have never done that scare you a little to attempt because the techniques required seem beyond you. It's only wood, it not like flying the space shuttle.
    I don't believe the only way to learn woodcarving is by formal instruction. If so, why do schools have and offer college courses online? Thanks, I am enjoying my woodcarving journey.

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  • Nebraska
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    Just a few thoughts.

    If you want to provide the publishers with feedback I would recommend emailing as they do not actively monitor the forum.

    I have no dog in this I have never subscribed to WCI, I have glanced at a few articles usually shown to me by members of the local carving club.

    What I’m reading is a comparison of apples to oranges. Video offers sensory input a magazine can’t match. So I can see why you would prefer that source. Video is a better technology for sharing information than printed media. Newspapers are dying and I have hundreds of TV channels to choose from there is a reason for that.

    While I have watched videos to learn particular techniques I don’t believe duplicating work while following an instructional video will result in making you a better carver. I have meet to many carvers over the years who embraced that process and now only carve what the latest video offered. They become instruction followers and don’t develop creativity. You have to attempt projects you have never done projects that scare you a little to attempt because the techniques required seem beyond you. Use the instructor’s process but apply to your own subject matter.

    Wishing you great luck on your journey to be the carver you want to be.

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  • Daliab
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    Originally posted by Randy View Post
    That is the purpose of Publisher Feedback. And I agree, if there is some
    thing any of us feel we need to ask or share we should. I believe that can be good for the publishers. Other wise they are just guessing at what readers are looking for.
    Absolutely my intention of posting it. Thanks for your feedback too.

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  • Randy
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    That is the purpose of Publisher Feedback. And I agree, if there is some
    thing any of us feel we need to ask or share we should. I believe that can be good for the publishers. Other wise they are just guessing at what readers are looking for.

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  • Daliab
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    JerseyGirl, Carving folks on this website are a treasure chest of great information and willing to freely help any level carver asking for help. There, that's your feedback. My disappointment is with the content of the magazine over the last year, not the forum and members of this forum. The category that this thread was started in was "publisher-feedback". That's what I'm providing.... feedback to the publisher, not feedback to the member's of the forum although I welcome your feedback too. If members of the forum think the magazine is great, then say so but all I hear are crickets. So far, nobody has said so over the last five years. There is only one thread for 2022 and three for 2020 and a couple for 2018-19 timeframe. So, for me to initiate a thread in the publisher-feedback, that informs the publisher that I'm not happy as a paying subscriber may be welcomed by them instead of no feedback at all. I see, and get tons email ads daily to subscribe or buy a carving magazine from this publisher or buy from this woodcarving supplier. In response, I send emails to woodcarving suppliers when I get great prices/great customer service/ and great shipping on my orders. I also send feedback to those suppliers when they don't meet my expectations. I even announce it during my club meetings as feedback to club members. If the administrators don't like negative comments under this heading, then eliminate the publisher-feedback heading all together. Again, my 2 cents or should I say my feedback.

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  • Claude
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    I agree with Merle - please provide some examples of what you want to see. The magazine editors can't provide it if they don't know more specifics about what you want to see. You can paste in some URL (links) to videos you want to see, or links to photos, etc.

    Claude

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