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  • What May be Considered Cheating in Wood Carving???

    To painting, "Paint-by-the-Numbers" is generally considered "cheating". What maybe considered "cheating" in wood carving???
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  • #2
    Ummm..hiring it to be done?

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    • #3
      I think very careful copying of cultural designs such as First Nations at and carvings is cheating.
      Don't stand on the shoulders of giants, do your own work.

      There's just been a huge seizure, up in the 10's of millions of $$$, of forged native Indian American art work
      which is cranked out of factories in the Philippines.

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      • #4
        Plagiarism is not nice.

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        • #5
          In carving, I'd say CNC work is cheating, if it claims to be "handmade"...

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          • #6
            I don't know how you can "plagiarize" a carving unless you make an exact copy like the Chinese do with oil paintings.

            I suspect the introduction of power carving was considered cheating at one time, rather than evolutionary. Oil painters were upset with the introduction of photography, then the black and white photographers were upset with color photography, then came digital, etc. All arts have evolved into various branches, different but the same theme.

            So it is hard to imagine real "cheating" with wood carving. Laser printing of exact copies...maybe. But, then there is another "art" in that.

            So as I ramble, I can't think of anything that could fall into the category of cheating. JMO

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            • #7
              Buy a carving, then claiming it as your own ??
              . . .JoeB

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              • #8
                Do you think that carving a piece then having someone else paint it, then enter it in judging as your work, may be a little cheating?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tom-H View Post
                  Do you think that carving a piece then having someone else paint it, then enter it in judging as your work, may be a little cheating?
                  My personal opinion is yes, if the carver claims to be the sole person involved in the carving, then it is wrong to have it judged as "their" work. If the work is labeled as, "carved by ....and painted by.." then maybe that would be acceptable but not to be judged in the same category as work done by one individual.
                  I can say this, because I never have entered a competition and never intend to. I carve only for the joy of carving and I do both the carving and painting myself. I sell a lot of my work at a couple of local craft shows and quite often customers will ask my wife who accompanies me , If she does the painting. We tell them no, but it doesn't seem to effect sales one way or the other.
                  Wayne
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by joepaulbutler View Post
                    Buy a carving, then claiming it as your own ??
                    Yeah, to me that would be the epitome of cheating.

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                    • #11
                      As far as contests, anything that doesn't follow the rules of the contest category would be cheating. Some people might consider carving rough outs as "cheating", but they are a lot of fun, good to learn from, and make carving more accessible for people who don't own band saws. But credit should always be given to the person who designed the rough out, even if you changed it up completely; you still started with someone else's design. In a contest, if you claimed someone else's paint job as your own, that would be cheating, if it was intended that all the work was done by one artist. Perhaps this practice is more wide spread than I am aware of? I know that some people who carve Santas and ornaments and things for production of mass quantities may have someone else do the painting in order to have more to sell, but they aren't entering them in contests. You'll even find acclaimed artists, like Dave Chihuly, who has a whole team of people producing his massive works and installations of glass from his designs. And most bronze sculptures are cast and assembled and finished at foundries by people other than the designer. Those aren't normally considered cheating. Different rules for them, different contests for them. Personally, I like both the carving and painting on the pieces I produce and wouldn't really trust anyone else to do it exactly like I want it! I agree with Claude about CNC work. It seems to be a great tool for repetitive production, but it is computerized routering, not carving! Writing code and importing graphics for automated production is not carving. If you carve it is usually pretty easy to distinguish machine work from hand carved. I look at the prices on these CNC machines and the learning curve needed and often wonder if the owners ever considered that they could have bought the tools and paid for lessons to learn how to carve by hand?
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                      • #12
                        Some great information here, from some great wood carvers........Thank you
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                        • #13
                          Submitting a purchased carving to a contest.

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                          • #14
                            Many of the replies were in the context of carving contests where the rules often define what is cheating. In the arena of sales, cheating would be any misrepresentation of the product (carving) whether it be the source of the design, the materials, or the methods used. For those who do neither (contests or sales) the only cheating would be telling ourselves that a carving is our best effort when it isn't.

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                            • #15
                              When you tell one carving that you are committed to it, you will stay with it to completion and won't even think about starting another one...but something happens. An idea pops in your head for the next carving. Some might call it a lust, a passion or conquest. Whatever it is, IT'S WRONG!
                              It hits you so bad you just have to start the next one. You start sneaking around the old unfinished carving and telling it you just don't have time for it ( but it knows the truth that you have desires for another.) OR worst you put it in a box and say " maybe some day we'll rekindle what we had"...knowing you'll never be back for it.

                              It's cheat'n , I tell ya....I know there's a lot of lustful woodcarvers out there that need to Straighten Up!
                              Greg

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                                Yikes. That's harsh! And way too close to home....
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