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  • #31
    Re: Couple of new bowls

    [QUOTE=BullRunBear;339118]Those bowls are lovely. Do you use hand or power tools? Also, what do you use for a finish to bring out that gorgeous grain? (I'm shortly going to make a first attempt at carving a spoon with a sloyd and hook knife and wondered if bowls can be done with similar hand tools.)

    Thanks, Jeff

    First off,,,, Thank you Jeff!
    I use a combination of power tools and hand tools at times, meaning I may use a side grinder with a Lancelot carving disc to debark and rough form the outside and rough hollow the inside,,,,Or I sometimes use an axe to debark and form the rough outside and rough hollow the inside. The next step is always with "HAND TOOLS" (an arbitrary controversial expression) So I will refer to hand tools as gouges, knives, spokeshaves, etc.
    As I usually start with GREEN wood, I will refine the outside with gouges spokeshaves, straight and bentknives. Then I refine the hollow with bentknives and gouges. As I get closer to the finished shape then I use scorps,scrapers and sand paper starting with 100grit once the piece has DRYED. The drying of the bowl can take weeks or months. I use brown paper sacks to dry the bowls as this process eliminates most if not all mould issues.
    The next steps are to continue to take out the "WONKS" these are the humps and hollows that plague the finishing to a smooth concave and convex form. These wonks will show and will be felt by the touch, if not taken out. This bothers my sense of ascetic and quality of skill that I am always striving for, if they are present in the finished article.
    Wonks can be caused a number of ways, thus take a number of ways to remove. The most common way to get a wonk is to not see it as it is developing. The most careful carving, scraping and sanding can create wonks. The way to tell is to constantly "FEEL" for them. Then use a low luminous light source 40watt light. or less a flashlight, to see how the light casts shadows in the hollows. This gets harder and harder as the process gets refined, the touch is the most reliable way to tell if you have wonks.
    Complicated grain is another way of developing wonks as the grain may alternate from soft to hard and in some grain may be in any or every direction. This is where I use a soft rubber pad with the sandpaper to sand the high points without sanding the low. once I have worked through the grits to as high as I feel I need to to capture the best surface I can with the type of wood about 400grit. I wash the bowl with hot water and raise the grain. Then I leave this to dry over night and sand from 350grit to the finished grit of 1000 to 2000. This is not really "SANDING" after 400 grit it is more like polishing as I am not removing any real wood so much as getting rid of the scratches left by the previous grit of sandpaper, At 1000grit the scratches left by the sand paper are there but so small they take a good eye to detect.
    The next step for me is to oil the bowl, mineral oil or a salad bowl finish and buffing with a soft cotton rag. I leave it over night and repeat at least a few times. The finish may take a lot of time and effort to achieve from some perspectives,,,so be it... this is the way I get the finish I like. If you wonder how fine the finish is.... look at a guitar, that is my visual reference. I don't know if this will help any but it is simply how I do it.... H

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    • #32
      Re: Couple of new bowls

      I have some pics of the process as well if any one wants

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      • #33
        Re: Couple of new bowls

        Hi Howard,
        That's an excellent concise and comprehensive description of your process. As a former technical writer, I really appreciate the skill.

        I'm sending a PM about the photos.

        Thanks, Jeff

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        • #34
          Re: Couple of new bowls

          Just discovered you don't get PMs. I am interested in the photos. Your process sounds like what I need as I try to acquire skill with hand powered tools (knives, gouges,etc.) and build back some upper body strength lost during a long convalescence.

          Thanks, Jeff

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          • #35
            Re: Couple of new bowls

            Here ya go Jeff...
            This little scraper is a Painters scraper with the blade rounded from side to side and honed to a razor edge, the next tool is a scorp again razor sharp. You can see the different type of shavings that each tool SHOULD produce....

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            • #36
              Re: Couple of new bowls

              These photos and process start in previous post and so on ...The tools here are interchangeable and you don't need them all... you may WANT them but they are not all needed,,,, Though I have them now and so I use them. You can use other tools like gouges with different sweeps and bent gouges with flatter sweeps the bigger the concave of the bowl. A full handled 1/2 inch with a # 2 sweep bent gouge works well to refine the shape and with care to take down the wonks prior to the scrapes and sanding. The larger scraper here I use for the out side convex to refine the form. The scrapers a very inexpensive and the blades replaceable. The blades are of a good temper so they hone well and hold a good edge. Yet easy to shape with a file. On the convex outer surface I just use a straight blade honed to razor sharpness. It removes wood easily and fast held the way shown.

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              • #37
                Re: Couple of new bowls

                This is the main way I hold the large scraper. The scraper can be used on Maple prior to the bowl being dried from the green. though works better when the bowl is dry. I alternate from scraper to gouge to scorp to knife as needed to refine the form and take out wonks. The convex can be refined with heavy rasps and files as well and I do use those with the spokeshave and straight gouges and both straight knives and bent to form and refine the outside of the bowl before I start the sanding.
                The blue sandpaper is a high quality none loading sandpaper, 100grit. As this is still at the refining stage. 100 grit is aggressive yet does not damage the fibers as a courser grit would tend to do, making the sanding out of the scratches much more painful than it already can be, especially in alternating figured grain of hard alternating soft grain or growth rings etc. There is a lot of end grain the rounder the form and end grain can be hard to sand the scratches out of from grit to finer grit. Music helps as it sooths the sound of the hand sanding and can create a good rhythm. and you may as well listen to something you like as you will be there for awhile. The more care you take in the early stages the better the final stages and result. Thats all there is to it,,,, H

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                • #38
                  Re: Couple of new bowls

                  [QUOTE=BullRunBear;339138]Hi Howard,
                  That's an excellent concise and comprehensive description of your process. As a former technical writer, I really appreciate the skill.

                  I'm sending a PM about the photos.

                  Thanks, Jeff
                  Hey Jeff sorry about the PM thingy I didn't know I was unable to get those ,,,, I hope I fixed that????[email protected]

                  Also thank you very much for the great compliment.... I never thought of being able to do that... USUALY the comments I make are long winded, is the consensus

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                  • #39
                    Re: Couple of new bowls

                    Hi Howard,

                    I sent a PM (it worked) but wanted to thank you on the forum for the great explanantion and photos.

                    I've got a number of the tools you showed, now I just have to learn to use them.

                    Thanks, Jeff

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                    • #40
                      Re: Couple of new bowls

                      You are more then welcome Jeff and I thank you for pointing out the PM not working ,,,,It is now and everyone is invited to send me a message at any time love to hear from any one interested in the wonderful world of carving...H

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                      • #41
                        Re: Couple of new bowls

                        Howard, great carving on the bowls...they're beautiful! I especially enjoyed your description of how you carve them...very detailed and helpful... Again, thanks for sharing them with us!
                        Kenn

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                        • #42
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                          Hey Howard,

                          Beautiful work you've done on these bowls. I really like the unique design, and the grain just pops! Great job!!!

                          Mark

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                          • #43
                            Re: Couple of new bowls

                            Thank YOU GUYS .... Kenn and Mark... Yuppers LOVE the gain in that bowl it is a treat to have that happen.

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