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    Im in search for something to make the details pop in my carvings in the round,
    as im not looking to get into wood burning for a hobbie but another tool to use and a means to an end.

    i have did some looiking around the web stores and have found soldering iron type burners to things that look like they belong in a doctors office.
    costs ranging from $8.00 to thousands.

    im on fixed income, and just need a tool for fine detailing, im needing something i can control like a pencil when sketching close up to the working end, for control, of fine lines.
    but the high end burners are out of the question. for my needs i cant justify them.
    i will be burning mostly basswood, tuper gum and cypress knees.

    can you folks point a feller in a direction?

    thanks for any help here.
    thomas perrin

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    Re: reccomendations for newby to detailing

    thanks dutchmanmk3 for the reply,

    i was looking at the pyropen as its small and heat adjustable to some extent but them butain operated things fail on me to early they plug up. i dont know if its atsmophere here in the south or dirty butain gas.. and i didnt want to spend $80. on a tool i wasent going to use but once and a while. then find it stopped up

    at http://www.youdoitelectronics.com/id100.htm

    i also seen a Weller WLC100 veriable heat electronic 39.00 - 49.00 it was called a soldering station? . and appeared to have removable nims that resembled the typr used by the pyropen, . but the heating element & tip was long the holding area was 3 inches back on the tool.
    and it looked like ascrewdriver type handle not a pencil..

    Most the carvings i do have been of people and less than 7 inches tall so that makes the nose near the size of long grain rice., working features like hair and creases or folds in clothing could be done with a heated coathanger wire. but working around the eyes, forehead and under the arms will be a trick with something bulky as a soldering iron.
    as well as working in crevices like underarm overall bibs and pant pocklets where the hand is close to the pocket.

    maybe im thinking a wood burner is much more magical than it actually is . but a dremel wont do the detail, without making things fuzzie. i have some micro mini bits that i more often get stuck with becuse i cant see the cutting end tips of them there so small. but they wont do the work of detail..

    i just wondering as well, if there was some small thing available to the public like what the doctor use to used to remove warts.
    bout the size of them disposable flashlights.. they give good kids?

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    • #3
      Re: reccomendations for newby to detailing

      Thomp,
      Do a google search--i've seen sites that tell you how to make your own--it just takes a transformer, a dimmer switch, and some nichrome wire!

      Bob

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      • #4
        Re: reccomendations for newby to detailing

        Try Colwood. I've got their Detailer, which is the base model, and have been quite happy with it. You can get the basic set up with $100. Hope this helps.

        Dylan

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        • #5
          Re: reccomendations for newby to detailing

          most people I think get a dual woodburner, but since you are not interested in getting serious about woodburning, you can get a single unit fairly reasonable...cheaper than that weller soldering iron (which is NOT what you want!) Do a google search of woodburning tools...you will get a bunch, then the research is up to you on the brand. personally I have a razortip I bought from "chippingaway" in Canada, because they are good people to work with and the tips were much cheaper than some other burners! All this advice is free.....and remember, you get what you pay for! LOL
          "Lif iz lik a box "o" choc lets, ya nevr kno whut yull git!"

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          • #6
            Re: reccomendations for newby to detailing

            thanks,
            for all the information. this is just what i need to make an informed decision before i dump a load of money into another dust collecting, shelf space hogging tool. 'something i wish i would do more often' as i look at the early model rotor zip, a 1 inch belt sander, and many more usless tools i know own..

            I like bobs idea on making a burner, as i could choose the features i wanted, but im not really electrical talanted,
            BUT I DO PUT ON A GREAT LIGHT SHOW..as the family says....

            if we are willing to admit it we know when were in over our heads, and in this decision thats where i am..

            I love the effect wood burning produces, but there is only so much time in life, and forced retirement after a 4 way, makes life rough, Its tough to be retired or forced to be, especally when you know you could do more than. things like helping raise the two, 2 year old grand babys, and their mothers, i barely have time to toss a few chips on the front porch at sundown. and thats where i love to spend my time i guess becuse it's the hobbie-craft i return to time after time..

            just to learn a skill to inhance the final ending to a great garving is all im looking for. at this point wood burning would be like a gouge or another chip knife, just another tool in my box.

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            • #7
              Re: reccomendations for newby to detailing

              I agree with Hi Ho, a single unit woodburning unit is your answer. You do more than one carving in the size, then I would think you will find that you will use the bruner for detailing more and more. The pens are the perfect size and shape for your needs, not like a soldering iron, with a long hot shank.

              Check out yard sales, you might strike it lucky, or advertize on "swap shop" or your version thereof. Lots of way to keep your costs down. Sell one of your carvings and buy a new unit, they aren't that expensive and last a long time.

              Bob
              Before they slip me over the standing part of the fore sheet, let them pipe: "Up Spirits" one more time.

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              • #8
                Re: reccomendations for newby to detailing

                Bob,
                if i find a store with a section in the cash drawer for carvings, ill sure as heck sell them one for a burner thus far i havent... not trying to being arbratray,
                i know what your saying though. the public is just too hard to deal with for me, they want everything just so and at discount. so do i but i dont deal with other folks attitudes well.

                im a tinker'er at heart, and the idea of fixing a broken unit or building my own at the moment sounds like a great way to go if possible.
                as well as knoiwing anything bought as individule parts will cost more than the whole, i might be able to select the functions i like best.

                though at this point my inexperiance with the tool, i dont know what features are available, much less what the features are good for.

                ill hint them yard sales and flea markets, but were not over burdoned with carvers in this area , i do see books are being sold out at the books a million store, babbages and walden books on carving. but no clubs are advertized, maybe im not in the click?

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                • #9
                  Re: reccomendations for newby to detailing

                  Thomp,

                  I found this on eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/NIBSBURNER-P-131...QQcmdZViewItem

                  I am not into burning...yet, so I have no idea of quality, etc but I have seen the brand mentioned in the forums here.

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                  • #10
                    Re: reccomendations for newby to detailing

                    thanks bill.

                    i dont ebay, becuse of the snipes.
                    but it gives me another brand name to research.....

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                    • #11
                      Re: reccomendations for newby to detailing

                      Heard lots of reasons why people don't use eBay , that's a new one on me.Wink
                      Anyway if you want to make your own, here's a web site , Lynn Diel's actually, that has plans and instructions on making a Pyrography unit and pen, look about half way down on left side.
                      http://216.106.57.170/~dielle/designs.html

                      OG

                      Originally posted by Thomp
                      thanks bill.

                      i dont ebay, becuse of the snipes.
                      but it gives me another brand name to research.....

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                      • #12
                        Re: reccomendations for newby to detailing

                        Old gord,
                        What i meant by snipes on ebay,
                        theres a program out there that you can set to run just before the closing of an auction that will toss in a higher bid than what it there,, the bidder sets his high bid, and the increment he wants it increase, then he lets the program go. it will dial up and check the bid just seconds before closing then add another bid. just as the auction closes..

                        a human dont have a chance in he** to beat them.

                        thanks for the link. !
                        i been hunting websites for information on rebuilt burners remanfacturedand where to get a broke one. for a basic building block.

                        but getting side tracked by this blacksmith carving here on my desk. and websites that pop up i didnt search for, through my popup blockers.
                        thomp

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                        • #13
                          Re: reccomendations for newby to detailing

                          Sure you can beat em! You just have to join the game yourself! Here is how you do it.

                          Lets say you find a genuine imitation NASA Spacecraft on eBay that you would like to have. After research, etc, you decide that it is worth $50 to you. The bidding is currently at $19 with several hours to go.

                          About 10 minutes to auction end you sign on to eBay. The bidding is now at $41.

                          Carefully note the time remaing down to the second. Go ahead and set up your bid until you get to the final page where you commit to the bid. In this case, you had previously decided that the genuine imitation NASA Spacecraft is worth $50 to you.

                          TIP: Most humans naturally gravitate to even amounts of money when bidding, so you cleverly bid $50.01. You would be suprized at how many times that extra penny will do the trick!!

                          When there is about 10-15 seconds left (depending on your connection speed), you go ahead and place your bid. This all but ensures that your bid will be the last one. Like anything on eBay, you might not get the item, but you will have the satisfaction of knowing that the other guy had to pay more than what you thought the item was worth.

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                          • #14
                            Re: reccomendations for newby to detailing

                            Originally posted by Old_Gord
                            Heard lots of reasons why people don't use eBay , that's a new one on me.Wink
                            Anyway if you want to make your own, here's a web site , Lynn Diel's actually, that has plans and instructions on making a Pyrography unit and pen, look about half way down on left side.
                            http://216.106.57.170/~dielle/designs.html

                            OG
                            wow OG that is a very simple item to build according to the plans, i just wonder if the parts are going to be hens teeth to find...

                            funny i didnt see any resistors or complicated circut boards..

                            i did find lots of replacement nibs for under $8.-- & 10.00 so if you made replaceble handles it could be switched out easily with stereo rca jacks. like i seen on other replacement ends on the parts web sites.

                            i wrote the guy at the website to see if he can tell me where i can get a transformer his seams to be something specific. ? or extra durable?
                            110vt to 2.5vt stepdown 10 amp. ? i got a printer or a scanner transformer that is 10 amp but 24 volt, wonder if i could step that one down to 2.5 vt?

                            im pretty electricaly challanged. but sometimes parts is parts...

                            thanks again og.

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                            • #15
                              Re: reccomendations for newby to detailing

                              apperently the site is unmanned.. the address was rejected from the collage. as no such person there.

                              but not to dispare, i talked to an electronicly minded friend, not a transformer specialist but he looked at the plan, and said there was no reason i couldnt use my big old 8 pound ingersol rand 120 vac 2.5 amp 60htz, anitque soldering pistol by converting the copper nib to a rca jack for exceptance of a nib burner lead and nicrowire tip.

                              the only thing i dont know is the wattage.. and this ingersol rand has a duty cycle of 1 minuet on 4 minuets off.
                              more to come on the saga.....

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