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    Hi, I have a photo, and i want to know is there any way to converse it to lines, i need only lines to work with my machine, so i cant just turn it into vectors bcs it gives me to "fat" lines, they are not just lines they are more of a small circles. I posted the photo, i tried image trace etc but it doesnt give me good lines.
    i need to converse to wood so i can engrave it with laser machine
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  • #2
    Adobe Photoshop or free GIMP will do the job... if I understand the question?
    Bill
    Living among knives and fire.

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    • #3
      Why not trace with a thin lead pencil and then scan the image?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by woodburner807 View Post
        Adobe Photoshop or free GIMP will do the job... if I understand the question?
        y but how can i do it in adobe for exampe? Im sry im bad at photoshop aplication

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        • #5
          Originally posted by papasar View Post
          Why not trace with a thin lead pencil and then scan the image?
          How could i do that sir?

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          • #6
            The reason image trace does not give you good lines......is because that picture you have is a mess....wheels are not the same size and not round, the lines are not straight and even. The only way to make this half decent ....is to get tracing paper and redraw the image until outline is straight. That means measuring and re measure ....use a ruler for straight lines, use a compass for circles. This is a mechanical drawing issue that you are having. Lines need to be horizontal and vertically straight. Plus this drawing is at a slight angle (see the black area), that is an angle which you can not use on your machine. ....that means to make this look ok....you will have to straight it out by constantly measure.

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            • #7
              I'll take a look at it for you - via CAD and other programs if I'm lucky. I'll keep you posted in this thread. Martin

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              • #8
                Originally posted by lionslair View Post
                I'll take a look at it for you - via CAD and other programs if I'm lucky. I'll keep you posted in this thread. Martin
                Thnx martin

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dileon View Post
                  The reason image trace does not give you good lines......is because that picture you have is a mess....wheels are not the same size and not round, the lines are not straight and even. The only way to make this half decent ....is to get tracing paper and redraw the image until outline is straight. That means measuring and re measure ....use a ruler for straight lines, use a compass for circles. This is a mechanical drawing issue that you are having. Lines need to be horizontal and vertically straight. Plus this drawing is at a slight angle (see the black area), that is an angle which you can not use on your machine. ....that means to make this look ok....you will have to straight it out by constantly measure.
                  Can i get good lines here?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dco326 View Post

                    Can i get good lines here?
                    OK better but now you must make a line drawing now, cleaning up all the fuzzys, making lines straight and wheels round, making some place on the photo sharp with lines Look hard at this picture...see the wheel that has a flat tire, see the where the edge has bumps and fuzz and out of shape and not smooth? You either are going to have to learn how to use computer program that you can clean this photo up or do it this way....... and draw on top of this photo. Remember when you have a photo the computer will make all the things wrong with it come out.....

                    This is how artist take a photo and make a pattern. You need a printer or copy machine, you need to get rulers and a compasses. You take this picture and send it to your printer from the computer on to paper and make a few copies if you make mistakes you can use another copy. If you do not have a printer you must go some where that you can scan this photo onto paper.....Kinko, FedEX and ect. Once you have this drawing on paper....You need fine marker, or good drawing pencil or gel ink pin. Now you going make your own lines on top of this drawing.....I use gel ink.....blue so I can see your line verus the one on there. Draw the lines straight on the train... On top of this drawing.. make the wheels round and smooth and try to make them same size. Draw in parts all the parts making your own line drawing. When you are finished smoothing this out you going to copy your lines onto another paper. Next trace your lines on to another paper..... using a tracing paper or carbon paper (you can make your own by taking pencil on a sheet of paper....and making a solid coloring area thick with pencil) or press the line into another paper hard enough to see the line then trace with pencil that line. When you trace your lines....you may have again use that ruler to make good sharp lines. You may made to make corrections more then once. Once you have a good line drawing...you can scan it to your computer if you need to do that.

                    On note....some of the best line drawing on the computer to use are coloring book images of items or getting vector images, or illustrations images. You need to do massive searches On Google....to find the image you like. I take a photo and use the method I explain to you. But often you need to major clean up any photo for what ever you going to use it for...There are no fast solutions...unless you buy the image for your machine.

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                    • #11
                      Martin maybe able to do this on CAD....for you. I do not use computer programs for art.... I draw everything out myself.... But no matter what your going to have to learn how to clean up and make a line drawing via computer or other methods. Because this is an issue that you will have in the future.....computer copy everything and sometimes nothing and you have to draw in the parts.

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                      • #12
                        It really is not a complicated or difficult drawing, you could take a ruler, pencil and compass and redraw it and scan it.
                        If you want to stay within the computer realm, you could import the image into Sketchup, set your orientation to be in the plane of the drawing and just place lines and arcs over the top, then delete the image.
                        The only photo manipulation software I use is Irfanview, it has a function to create outlines from an image. That may also work for you.
                        The best thing to do is try a few methods and see what you get. Nothing teaches as well as experience.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dileon View Post
                          Martin maybe able to do this on CAD....for you. I do not use computer programs for art.... I draw everything out myself.... But no matter what your going to have to learn how to clean up and make a line drawing via computer or other methods. Because this is an issue that you will have in the future.....computer copy everything and sometimes nothing and you have to draw in the parts.
                          Right - I've done some conversion but it is a mess. The picture is a 3-D version in 2-D. Large black shadows and the like. I think it is best if you get a sharp pencil, trace it - remember you need points and corners, draw lines with a ruler, and you then enhance it to the line width you need, Photograph the paper (no shadows there) and import as needed..

                          I'm getting a basic outline but it contains so many variants of lines due to the fuzz and shadows that it is all but impossible without a great amount of work in taking a scrap and building the line drawing from it. Try the trace after a cleanup of the wood. A light sanding would help and a picture with flood light behind the camera to make white all of the holes and no 3-D shadows. I plotted it out on my plotter and I was hoping to come up with something I could fix, but it is to messy to be a good picture. Martin

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                          • #14
                            I took a crack at it too, using Corel Draw and Corel Photopaint. My conclusion was much the same as has been already stated. Sorry.

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                            • #15
                              Thank you guys

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