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  • Randy
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    I rarely do glule cups, most of my projects are done in one piece. But I do have to fill cracks every now and then. Like Di I use CA glue. I will use fine's but my first choice, if I can, is using a small piece of wood shaped to fit the opening and tapped in rather than fine's. The repair blens in better after sanding.
    Last edited by Randy; 01-29-2020, 09:39 AM.

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  • Dileon
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    For glue-ups I use dental tools for the glue, scrape offs and poking extra-fine sawdust into cracks and holes ...they are stainless very cheap on Amazon and easy to clean up ...whereas a brush normally goes into the trash can. I use CA ...easier to sand down than wood glue. I collect sawdust from major sanding jobs of various colors and keep in glass food jars for later on projects of various colors and woods that I use.

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  • Brian T
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    I've done glue-ups, making handles for crooked knife blades. Materials are 1/8" x 1" rosewood and mahogany strips 12" long. The plan was to make 1" x 1" x 12" blanks to be planed down to 7/8" and shaped. Piece of steel railroad track for clamp.
    White carpenter's glue used generously.
    I tried to get glue ups to be quite "far from the line" so there would be at least 1/8" wood thickness to take off as well as the dried blobs of glue from the squeeze-out.
    Ed: do you do any that way?

    I like the concept of packing fines into a glue line to hide the work. I have nothing smaller than wood chips.
    If I used a hand saw and made a pile of material, is that about the right size?

    I'm planning to use mortise and tennon joints to fit the fin-legs and tail into a large sea turtle body.
    I don't think that my crude approximation with be visible.

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  • Arthur C.
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    Thanks for the clarification, Ed. I'll certainly keep that in mind for future use.

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  • Nebraska
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    Originally posted by Arthur C. View Post

    So Ed, to make sure I understand: You press the Elmer's into the void, then top it with the fines, so the surface to be stained consists mainly of the compressed fines?
    Arthur,

    Two different discussions have kind of blended here. First was the repair of the gaps created by my poor attempt at a glue up. Those I repaired by working glue into the void, topping with fines and then pressing them in. Let dry then sand off excess.

    Then there is gluing on things like the fins. When attaching fins, say for example a pectoral fin. I leave a tip to be inserted into the body. Then gouge out a matching hole in the body. Apply some glue and put them together. Usually a little glue will come out as the pieces are fit up. I will scrap off some if it excessive. But there is always that little bit that if you try to wipe away just seals the wood and blocks the stain. So instead I just pack fines into the exposed stainable glue let it dry and then sand off excess before finishing.

    Hope this makes since. If not please ask any questions you have.

    Ed

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  • Arthur C.
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    Originally posted by Nebraska View Post

    I used an small stiff bristled artist brush to push glue into the cracks. Put fines I had gathered from earlier sanding on the areas and pressed them in. Let it dry overnight before sanding.

    Wondering about the Colo connection since that’s where I spent the first 50 years of my life.
    So Ed, to make sure I understand: You press the Elmer's into the void, then top it with the fines, so the surface to be stained consists mainly of the compressed fines?

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  • joepaulbutler
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    Ed, I thank you for all the good info, Amazon thanks you for the new orders

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  • Nebraska
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    Originally posted by Arthur C. View Post
    Do you guys find that the stainable glue and sanding dust mix stain like the surrounding wood? That would really surprise me!
    These walleye fins were attached using stainable glue over dressed with sawdust and sanded down. Basswood stained and finished with poly. You be the judge but I’m happy with the results. The trout is butternut same glue and sawdust process no stain just gloss poly.

    Just cause someone’s going question the strength of the glue. Yes the wood will break before glue joint in my experience.

    By the way the walleye pectoral fin is not inserted it’s a butt joint that was clamped using a rubber band.

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    Last edited by Nebraska; 12-11-2019, 10:52 AM.

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  • Arthur C.
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    Do you guys find that the stainable glue and sanding dust mix stain like the surrounding wood? That would really surprise me!

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  • NoDNA
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    My small stuff Ed and the rest. And yepper, Oregon is beautiful.


    mewe.com/i/charlesnicodemus My small stuff, I very rarely do anything over 5 inches,,long ,, high.

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  • Nebraska
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    Originally posted by NoDNA View Post
    Ed, I lived in Colo Spgs, and Denver for the first 17 years and Dad built homes from the springs to Lamar to Loveland. All over then I was fortunate to join the AF and come to Oregon.. Been here for 60+ And I do have to post some of my small stuff. Darn.????
    Oregon is pretty country.

    Sorry, Don’t understand your reference to posting small stuff.

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  • NoDNA
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    Ed, I lived in Colo Spgs, and Denver for the first 17 years and Dad built homes from the springs to Lamar to Loveland. All over then I was fortunate to join the AF and come to Oregon.. Been here for 60+ And I do have to post some of my small stuff. Darn.????

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  • Mike WNC
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    Originally posted by Nebraska View Post
    Find myself wondering if you could just mix a little of the ploy glue with the wood glue and apply? Hmmm.
    Sounds like you've got another experiment coming up! Interesting post.
    Mike

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  • Nebraska
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    Find myself wondering if you could just mix a little of the ploy glue with the wood glue and apply? Hmmm.

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  • Nebraska
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    Originally posted by Merle Rice View Post
    Hi Ed , do you put the Poly U on Wet Glue and what is the reason for Poly U ? Does it need to be Elmer's Glue ? That also sounds Interesting . Thanks for posting . Merle
    The Elmer’s glue is stainable it contains really fine sawdust. It is my favorite glue. Since I don’t paint my carvings having a glue that excepts finish is important. I’ve used it to glue fins on carved fish and after finishing you wouldn’t notice the glue line unless your really look hard for it.

    The polyurethane is titebond polyurethane glue, since it expands when it reacts with the wet glue it filled the voids in these joints.

    Adding finish will be my next step in testing this process.

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